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<rfc xmlns:xi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XInclude" category="bcp" | <rfc xmlns:xi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XInclude" category="bcp" docName="draft-da | |||
docName="draft-daley-gendispatch-venue-requirements-03" ipr="trust200902" | ley-gendispatch-venue-requirements-03" ipr="trust200902" number="9712" updates=" | |||
updates="8718 8719" submissionType="IETF" xml:lang="en" version="3" consensus= | 8718, 8719" obsoletes="" tocInclude="true" submissionType="IETF" xml:lang="en" v | |||
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<front> | <front> | |||
<title>IETF Meeting Venue Requirements Review</title> | ||||
<seriesInfo name="Internet-Draft" value="draft-daley-gendispatch-venue-requi | ||||
rements-03"/> | ||||
<title abbrev="IETF Meeting Venue Requirements Review">IETF Meeting Venue Re | ||||
quirements Review</title> | ||||
<seriesInfo name="RFC" value="9712"/> | ||||
<author fullname="Jay Daley" initials="J." surname="Daley" role="editor"> | <author fullname="Jay Daley" initials="J." surname="Daley" role="editor"> | |||
<organization abbrev="IETF Administration LLC">IETF Administration LLC</or ganization> | <organization abbrev="IETF Administration LLC">IETF Administration LLC</or ganization> | |||
<address> | <address> | |||
<postal> | <postal> | |||
<street>1000 N. West Street, Suite 1200</street> | <street>1000 N. West Street, Suite 1200</street> | |||
<city>Wilimington</city> | <city>Wilimington</city> | |||
<region>DE</region> | <region>DE</region> | |||
<code>19801</code> | <code>19801</code> | |||
<country>US</country> | <country>United States of America</country> | |||
</postal> | </postal> | |||
<email>jay@staff.ietf.org</email> | <email>jay@staff.ietf.org</email> | |||
</address> | </address> | |||
</author> | </author> | |||
<author fullname="Sean Turner" initials="S." surname="Turner"> | <author fullname="Sean Turner" initials="S." surname="Turner"> | |||
<organization abbrev="IETF Administration LLC">IETF Administration LLC</or ganization> | <organization abbrev="IETF Administration LLC">IETF Administration LLC</or ganization> | |||
<address> | <address> | |||
<postal> | <postal> | |||
<street>1000 N. West Street, Suite 1200</street> | <street>1000 N. West Street, Suite 1200</street> | |||
<city>Wilimington</city> | <city>Wilimington</city> | |||
<region>DE</region> | <region>DE</region> | |||
<code>19801</code> | <code>19801</code> | |||
<country>US</country> | <country>United States of America</country> | |||
</postal> | </postal> | |||
<email>sean@sn3rd.com</email> | <email>sean@sn3rd.com</email> | |||
</address> | </address> | |||
</author> | </author> | |||
<date year="2024"/> | <date year="2025" month="January"/> | |||
<area>General</area> | <abstract> | |||
<workgroup>Internet Engineering Task Force</workgroup> | ||||
<abstract> | <t>Following a review of the IETF meeting venue requirements, this documen | |||
<t>Following a review of the IETF meeting venue requirements, this documen | t updates RFC 8718 ("IETF Plenary Meeting Venue Selection Process"), clarifies h | |||
t proposes updates | ow the IETF | |||
to RFC 8718 “IETF Plenary Meeting Venue Selection Process”, clarifies ho | Administration Support Activity (IASA) should interpret some elements of RFC 871 | |||
w the IETF | 8, and specifies a replacement exploratory meeting process, thereby updating RFC | |||
Administration Support Activity (IASA) should interpret some elements of | 8719 ("High-Level Guidance for the Meeting Policy of the IETF").</t> | |||
RFC 8718, and | ||||
proposes a replacement exploratory meeting process, thereby updating RFC | ||||
8719 "High-Level | ||||
Guidance for the Meeting Policy of the IETF".</t> | ||||
</abstract> | </abstract> | |||
<note title="Editorial Note"> | ||||
<t>Discussion of this draft takes place on the mtgvenue mailing list, whic | ||||
h has its home page | ||||
at <eref target="https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mtgvenue" bracket | ||||
s="angle"/>. </t> | ||||
<t>The source code and an issues list for this draft can be found at <eref | ||||
target="https://github.com/JayDaley/draft-daley-gendispatch-venue-requ | ||||
irements" | ||||
brackets="angle"/>. </t> | ||||
</note> | ||||
</front> | </front> | |||
<middle> | <middle> | |||
<section> | <section> | |||
<name>Introduction</name> | <name>Introduction</name> | |||
<t>IETF meeting venues are researched, negotiated, booked and managed in a | <t>IETF meeting venues are researched, negotiated, booked, and managed in | |||
ccordance with <xref | accordance with | |||
target="RFC8718"/> “IETF Plenary Meeting Venue Selection Process” and | "IETF Plenary Meeting Venue Selection Process" <xref target="RFC8718"/> an | |||
<xref | d "High-Level Guidance for the Meeting Policy of the IETF" <xref target="RFC8719 | |||
target="RFC8719"/> "High-Level Guidance for the Meeting Policy of the | "/>. While these RFCs were published in 2020, the substantive work was completed | |||
IETF". While these | in 2018, and since then, there have been a number of developments that have aff | |||
RFCs were published in 2020, the substantive work was completed in 2018 | ected the efficacy of the current model for IETF meetings.</t> | |||
and since then there | ||||
have been a number of developments that have affected the efficacy of ou | ||||
r current model for | ||||
IETF meetings.</t> | ||||
<t>The IASA has reviewed the venue selection in light of these development s, primarily | <t>The IASA has reviewed the venue selection in light of these development s, primarily | |||
informed by the staff who work on venue selection, and has identified a number of issues to | informed by the staff who work on venue selection, and has identified a number of issues to | |||
be addressed by a combination of updates to those RFCs and clarification s of | be addressed by a combination of updates to those RFCs and clarification s of | |||
interpretation.</t> | interpretation.</t> | |||
</section> | </section> | |||
<section> | <section> | |||
<name>Summary of changes to <xref target="RFC8718"/> and <xref target="RFC | <name>Summary of Changes to RFCs 8718 and 8719</name> | |||
8719"/>:</name> | ||||
<t> This document makes the following changes to <xref target="RFC8718"/> a | ||||
nd <xref target="RFC8719"/>:</t> | ||||
<ol> | <ol> | |||
<li>Updates the Meeting (Rotation) Policy of <xref target="RFC8719"/> wi th a new process for | <li>Updates the meeting (rotation) policy specified in <xref target="RF C8719"/> with a new process for | |||
the selection of exploratory meetings.</li> | the selection of exploratory meetings.</li> | |||
<li>Clarifies the interpretation of "close proximity" as used in <xref t arget="RFC8718" | <li>Clarifies the interpretation of "close proximity" as used in <xref t arget="RFC8718" | |||
/>.</li> | />.</li> | |||
<li>Updates the room block requirement of <xref target="RFC8718"/> from | ||||
“one-third of the | <li>Updates the room block requirement specified in <xref target="RFC8718"/> | |||
projected attendees” to a more flexible “sufficient rooms to meet the | from "one-third or more of | |||
expected | projected meeting attendees" to a more flexible "sufficient rooms to m | |||
demand”.</li> | eet the expected | |||
<li>Clarifies that the IASA should interpret any reference to Overflow H | demand".</li> | |||
otels in <xref | <li>Clarifies that the IASA should interpret any reference to "Overflow | |||
Hotels" in <xref | ||||
target="RFC8718"/> as an entirely optional feature that the IASA can choose to provide | target="RFC8718"/> as an entirely optional feature that the IASA can choose to provide | |||
at its own discretion.</li> | at its own discretion.</li> | |||
<li>Updates various parts of <xref target="RFC8718"/> that specify ad-ho | ||||
c space to better | <li>Updates the ad hoc space specified in various parts of <xref target= | |||
match the community requirements as expressed in post-meeting surveys. | "RFC8718"/> | |||
</li> | to better match the community requirements, as expressed in post-meeting | |||
surveys.</li> | ||||
</ol> | </ol> | |||
</section> | </section> | |||
<section> | <section> | |||
<name>The Meeting (Rotation) Policy and Exploratory Meetings</name> | <name>The Meeting (Rotation) Policy and Exploratory Meetings</name> | |||
<section> | <section> | |||
<name>Current Policy</name> | <name>Current Policy</name> | |||
<t>The current meeting rotation policy is set as the "1-1-1-*" policy in <xref | <t>The current meeting (rotation) policy is set as the "1-1-1-*" policy in <xref | |||
target="RFC8719"/>:</t> | target="RFC8719"/>:</t> | |||
<blockquote><t>[...] the meeting policy (let's call this the "1-1-1" pol icy) is that | <blockquote><t>[...] the meeting policy (let's call this the "1-1-1" pol icy) is that | |||
meetings should rotate between North America, Europe, and Asia. the | meetings should rotate between North America, Europe, and Asia.</t>< | |||
1-1-1-* meeting | /blockquote> | |||
policy is a slightly modified version of the aforementioned 1-1-1 me | ||||
eting policy that | ||||
allows for additional flexibility in the form of an exploratory meet | ||||
ing (denoted with an | ||||
"*").</t></blockquote> | ||||
<t>and</t> | <t>and</t> | |||
<blockquote><t>[...] the 1-1-1-* meeting policy is a slightly modified v ersion of the | <blockquote><t>[...] the 1-1-1-* meeting policy is a slightly modified v ersion of the | |||
aforementioned 1-1-1 meeting policy that allows for additional flexi bility in the form | aforementioned 1-1-1 meeting policy that allows for additional flexi bility in the form | |||
of an exploratory meeting (denoted with an "*").</t></blockquote> | of an exploratory meeting (denoted with an "*").</t></blockquote> | |||
<t><xref target="RFC8719" section="4"/> further sets out the process for agreeing on an | <t>Furthermore, <xref target="RFC8719" section="4"/> describes the proce ss for agreeing on an | |||
exploratory meeting, which includes the requirement for a participant to nominate the | exploratory meeting, which includes the requirement for a participant to nominate the | |||
city, the community to discuss it and the IETF Chair to determine if t here is consensus | city, the community to discuss it, and the IETF chair to determine if there is consensus | |||
for the city to be considered suitable.</t> | for the city to be considered suitable.</t> | |||
</section> | </section> | |||
<section> | <section> | |||
<name>Discussion</name> | <name>Discussion</name> | |||
<t>Community consensus is a very high bar, much higher than is required for a meeting in | <t>Community consensus is a very high bar, much higher than is required for a meeting in | |||
Asia, Europe or North America. For those ordinary meetings, the IASA c onsiders community | Asia, Europe, or North America. For those ordinary meetings, the IASA considers community | |||
feedback but is ultimately the decision maker and can choose to go ahe ad with a meeting in | feedback but is ultimately the decision maker and can choose to go ahe ad with a meeting in | |||
a particular city even if there is no community consensus on the suita bility of that city | a particular city even if there is no community consensus on the suita bility of that city | |||
for an IETF meeting. Furthermore, it has been demonstrated by the low attendance at some | for an IETF meeting. Furthermore, it has been demonstrated by the low attendance at some | |||
exploratory meetings that community consensus is orthogonal to the via bility of meeting in | exploratory meetings that community consensus is orthogonal to the via bility of meeting in | |||
a particular city.</t> | a particular city.</t> | |||
</section> | </section> | |||
<section> | <section> | |||
<name>Resolution: Replacement of the process for an exploratory meeting< /name> | <name>Resolution: Replacement of the Process for an Exploratory Meeting< /name> | |||
<t>This document replaces <xref target="RFC8719" section="4"/> and sets the new process as | <t>This document replaces <xref target="RFC8719" section="4"/> and sets the new process as | |||
follows:</t> | follows:</t> | |||
<t>Exploratory meetings may be scheduled by the IASA following its norma l processes, | <t>Exploratory meetings may be scheduled by the IASA following its norma l processes, | |||
including those for assessing the suitability of a particular city, co nsulting with the | including those for assessing the suitability of a particular city, co nsulting with the | |||
IETF community and deferring to the IESG if there is any concern that the core objective from <xref target="RFC8718"/> of 'why we meet’ might not be m et.</t> | IETF community, and deferring to the IESG if there is any concern that the core objective from <xref target="RFC8718"/> of 'why we meet' might not be met.</t> | |||
<t>The IASA should ensure that the frequency of exploratory meetings is such that it does not | <t>The IASA should ensure that the frequency of exploratory meetings is such that it does not | |||
redefine the concept of 'exploratory' and that the distribution of | redefine the concept of 'exploratory' and that the distribution of | |||
exploratory meetings does not disproportionately impact meetings in th e 1-1-1 regions.</t> | exploratory meetings does not disproportionately impact meetings in th e 1-1-1 regions.</t> | |||
</section> | </section> | |||
</section> | </section> | |||
<section> | <section> | |||
<name>Hotels and Facility</name> | <name>Hotels and the Facility</name> | |||
<section> | <section> | |||
<name>The “One Roof” Preference</name> | <name>The "One-Roof" Preference</name> | |||
<section> | <section> | |||
<name>Current Policy</name> | <name>Current Policy</name> | |||
<t><xref target="RFC8718"/> defines “IETF Hotels” as:</t> | <t><xref target="RFC8718"/> defines "IETF Hotels" as:</t> | |||
<blockquote>One or more hotels, in close proximity to the Facility, wh ere the IETF guest | <blockquote>One or more hotels, in close proximity to the Facility, wh ere the IETF guest | |||
room block allocations are negotiated and where network services man aged by the IASA | room block allocations are negotiated and where network services man aged by the IASA | |||
(e.g., the "IETF" SSID) are in use.</blockquote> | (e.g., the "IETF" SSID) are in use.</blockquote> | |||
<t>It also provides the following important criteria (only listing tho se directly | <t>It also provides the following important criteria (only listing tho se directly | |||
relevant):</t> | relevant):</t> | |||
<blockquote><ul> | <blockquote><ul> | |||
<li>The IETF Hotels are within close proximity to each other and t he Facility.</li> | <li>The IETF Hotels are within close proximity to each other and t he Facility.</li> | |||
</ul></blockquote> | </ul></blockquote> | |||
<t>Additionally, <xref target="RFC8718"/> contains this preference:</t > | <t>Additionally, <xref target="RFC8718"/> contains this preference:</t > | |||
<blockquote><ul> | <blockquote><ul> | |||
<li>We have something of a preference for an IETF meeting to be un der "One Roof"; that | <li>We have something of a preference for an IETF meeting to be un der "One Roof"; that | |||
is, qualified meeting space and guest rooms are available in the same facility.</li> | is, qualified meeting space and guest rooms are available in the same facility.</li> | |||
</ul></blockquote> | </ul></blockquote> | |||
</section> | </section> | |||
<section> | <section> | |||
<name>Discussion</name> | <name>Discussion</name> | |||
<t>What happens in practice is that the IASA books a venue that confor ms to one of two | <t>What happens in practice is that the IASA books a venue that confor ms to one of two | |||
separate configurations:</t> | separate configurations:</t> | |||
<ol> | <ol type="1" spacing="normal"> | |||
<li><t>A "one roof" venue of a hotel with the meeting space in the h | <li><t>A "One-Roof" venue of a hotel with the meeting space in the h | |||
otel or directly | otel or directly | |||
attached.</t> | attached.</t> | |||
<t>The advantages of this configuration are:</t> | <t>The advantages of this configuration are:</t> | |||
<ul> | <ul spacing="normal"> | |||
<li>With a large enough room block, the meeting space is general ly free.</li> | <li>With a large enough room block, the meeting space is general ly free.</li> | |||
<li>For those IETF participants (and staff) that normally stay i n the IETF hotel, there is a strong sense of community.</li> | <li>For those IETF participants (and staff) that normally stay i n the IETF hotel, there is a strong sense of community.</li> | |||
<li>It is usually easier and more flexible to work with a single point of contact | <li>It is usually easier and more flexible to work with a single point of contact | |||
instead of several (convention centers with separate contacts | instead of several (e.g., convention centers have separate con | |||
for Audio/Visual services, Food/Beverages, and | tacts for Audio/Visual services, Food/Beverage services, and meeting space).</li | |||
space).</li> | > | |||
<li>It can be much cheaper for the IASA than working with a sepa rate convention | <li>It can be much cheaper for the IASA than working with a sepa rate convention | |||
center.</li> | center.</li> | |||
<li>Group discussions can more naturally move from the facility to the hotel.</li> | <li>Group discussions can move more naturally from the Facility to the hotel.</li> | |||
<li>It is easier to negotiate network changes to the hotel as pa rt of an overall | <li>It is easier to negotiate network changes to the hotel as pa rt of an overall | |||
network package.</li> | network package.</li> | |||
<li>Someone can walk from their room to the meeting space in a f ew minutes, staying | <li>Someone can walk from their room to the meeting space in a f ew minutes, staying | |||
indoors the whole time. </li> | indoors the whole time. </li> | |||
</ul> | </ul> | |||
<t>The disadvantages are:</t> | <t>The disadvantages are:</t> | |||
<ul> | <ul> | |||
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* There are a limited number of hotels (and therefore cities) | ||||
with large enough meeting space and sufficient rooms to | ||||
accommodate us. | ||||
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hotels (and therefore cities) with large enough meeting space and | ||||
sufficient rooms to accommodate us. | ||||
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* There are a limited number of hotels (and therefore cities) | ||||
with large enough meeting space and sufficient rooms to | ||||
accommodate the IETF meeting requirements. | ||||
While a "one-roof" venue is preferred, there are a limited number of | ||||
hotels (and therefore cities) with large enough meeting space and | ||||
sufficient rooms to accommodate the IETF meeting requirements. | ||||
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<li>There are a limited number of hotels (and therefore cities) with large enough | <li>There are a limited number of hotels (and therefore cities) with large enough | |||
meeting space and sufficient rooms to accommodate us.</li> | meeting space and sufficient rooms.</li> | |||
<li>The room rates at conference hotels are often on the high si | <li>The room rates at conference hotels are often on the high si | |||
de and it can be | de, which can be | |||
more expensive for IETF participants.</li> | more expensive for IETF participants.</li> | |||
</ul> | </ul> | |||
</li> | </li> | |||
<li><t>A meeting space not co-located with a hotel, normally a conve ntion center, but | <li><t>A meeting space not co-located with a hotel (normally a conve ntion center) but | |||
where there are hotels within a short walk.</t> | where there are hotels within a short walk.</t> | |||
<t>The advantages of this configuration are:</t> | <t>The advantages of this configuration are:</t> | |||
<ul> | <ul spacing="normal"> | |||
<li>It makes many more cities available as potential venues.</li > | <li>It makes many more cities available as potential venues.</li > | |||
<li>It provides more options for local hotels.</li> | <li>It provides more options for local hotels.</li> | |||
<li>Convention centers generally have a range of nearby hotels e | <li>It enables the IASA to negotiate a lower room rate than othe | |||
nabling the IASA to | rwise | |||
negotiate a lower room rate than otherwise.</li> | as convention centers generally have a range of hotels nearby.</l | |||
i> | ||||
</ul> | </ul> | |||
<t>The disadvantages are:</t> | <t>The disadvantages are:</t> | |||
<ul> | <ul spacing="normal"> | |||
<li>Convention centers are much more difficult to negotiate with | <li>Convention centers are much more difficult to negotiate with | |||
and less | and are less | |||
flexible.</li> | flexible.</li> | |||
<li>The IASA has to pay for the meeting space.</li> | <li>The IASA has to pay for the meeting space.</li> | |||
<li>For those IETF participants (and staff) that normally stay i n the IETF hotel, the sense of community is diminished.</li> | <li>For those IETF participants (and staff) that normally stay i n the IETF hotel, the sense of community is diminished.</li> | |||
<li>Choice of a main hotel and negotiation of the network for th at hotel are more | <li>The choice of a main hotel and negotiation of the network fo r that hotel are more | |||
complicated.</li> | complicated.</li> | |||
</ul> | </ul> | |||
</li> | </li> | |||
</ol> | </ol> | |||
<t>While a "one-roof" venue is preferred, there are a limited number o | <t>To meet in cities that do not have suitable "One-Roof" venues, the | |||
f hotels (and | IASA needs to | |||
therefore cities) with large enough meeting space and sufficient roo | work with convention centers. If this approach is not taken, then ma | |||
ms to accommodate | ny cities and | |||
us. To meet in cities that do not have suitable "one-roof" venues, t | potentially some countries will be practically excluded as meeting v | |||
he IASA needs to | enues.</t> | |||
work with convention centers. If it did not take this approach then | <t>It should also be noted that a "One-Roof" venue shifts the costs of | |||
many cities and | the meeting | |||
potentially some countries would be practically excluded as meeting | onto participants whereas a convention center shifts the costs onto | |||
venues.</t> | the | |||
<t>It should also be noted that a "one-roof" venue shifts the costs of | ||||
the meeting more | ||||
onto participants than a convention center, where the costs are shif | ||||
ted more towards the | ||||
IASA.</t> | IASA.</t> | |||
<t>Despite "one-roof" being expressed as a preference in <xref target= "RFC8718"/> there | <t>Despite "One Roof" being expressed as a preference in <xref target= "RFC8718"/>, there | |||
are some in the community who consider it as the only way to meet th e requirement for | are some in the community who consider it as the only way to meet th e requirement for | |||
"close proximity".</t> | "close proximity".</t> | |||
</section> | </section> | |||
<section> | <section> | |||
<name>Resolution: Clarification of Interpretation</name> | <name>Resolution: Clarification of Interpretation</name> | |||
<t>To address this concern, the IASA should interpret the "close proxi | ||||
mity" requirement of | <t>To address this concern, the IASA should interpret the "close | |||
<xref target="RFC8718"/> as follows: </t> | proximity" requirement of <xref target="RFC8718"/> as follows: </t> | |||
<t indent="1">Where the meeting space is a convention center or other | <t indent="5">Where the meeting space is a convention center or | |||
facility without a | another facility without a directly attached hotel, the "close | |||
directly attached hotel, the “close proximity” requirement for the I | proximity" requirement for the IETF Hotels should mean | |||
ETF Hotels should be | that the time it takes to walk from the IETF Hotels to the meeting | |||
taken to mean that the time it takes to walk from the IETF Hotels to | space should be no longer than ten minutes, and it should be a safe wa | |||
the meeting space | lk including | |||
should be no longer than ten minutes, and a safe walk, including ear | early in the morning and late at night.</t> | |||
ly in the morning | <t>It should be noted that <xref target="RFC8718" sectionFormat="of" | |||
and late at night.</t> | section="3.2.2"/> already uses a walkability test of 5-10 minutes | |||
<t>It should be noted that <xref target="RFC8718" sectionFormat="of" s | for a similar purpose.</t> | |||
ection="3.2.2"/> | ||||
already uses a walkability test of 5-10 minutes for a similar purpos | ||||
e.</t> | ||||
</section> | </section> | |||
</section> | </section> | |||
<section> | <section> | |||
<name>Number of rooms reserved</name> | <name>Number of Rooms Reserved</name> | |||
<section> | <section> | |||
<name>Current Policy</name> | <name>Current Policy</name> | |||
<t><xref target="RFC8718"/> includes the following requirement as an i mportant | <t><xref target="RFC8718"/> includes the following requirement as an i mportant | |||
criterion:</t> | criterion:</t> | |||
<blockquote><ul> | <blockquote><ul> | |||
<li>The guest rooms at the IETF Hotels are sufficient in number to house one-third or | <li>The guest rooms at the IETF Hotels are sufficient in number to house one-third or | |||
more of the projected meeting attendees.</li> | more of the projected meeting attendees.</li> | |||
</ul></blockquote> | </ul></blockquote> | |||
</section> | </section> | |||
<section> | <section> | |||
<name>Discussion</name> | <name>Discussion</name> | |||
<t>COVID-driven cancellations and lockdowns have badly affected the ho spitality industry | <t>COVID-driven cancellations and lockdowns have badly affected the ho spitality industry | |||
overall. Hotels and convention centers are now much more cautious ab out the terms of | overall. Hotels and convention centers are now much more cautious ab out the terms of | |||
their bookings and much less willing to invest to secure a booking, as they aim to | their bookings and much less willing to invest in securing a booking , as they aim to | |||
protect themselves from any similar sudden loss of income. For examp le, many hotels are | protect themselves from any similar sudden loss of income. For examp le, many hotels are | |||
now requiring payment in full in advance for guest room blocks from | now requiring conference organizers to provide full payment in advan | |||
conference | ce for guest room blocks.</t> | |||
organizers.</t> | ||||
<t>Where the IASA can get a large room block, it is finding that hotel s are less willing | <t>Where the IASA can get a large room block, it is finding that hotel s are less willing | |||
to provide good discounts and so room pricing is not always on a par | to provide good discounts, so room pricing is not always on a par wi | |||
with other nearby | th other nearby | |||
hotels, with a smaller number of available rooms.</t> | hotels that have a smaller number of available rooms.</t> | |||
<t>Then there is the impact of the now ubiquitous offering of short-te rm apartment rental | <t>Then there is the impact of the now ubiquitous offering of short-te rm apartment rental | |||
sites. These sites are significant competitors to hotels for travele r accommodation both | sites. These sites are significant competitors to hotels for travele r accommodation both | |||
in price and availability.</t> | in price and availability.</t> | |||
<t>The net result is that the IASA is reserving more hotel rooms than are being used, | <t>The net result is that the IASA is reserving more hotel rooms than are being used, | |||
which exposes it to unnecessary risk as they are required to financi ally guarantee | which exposes it to unnecessary risk as they are required to financi ally guarantee | |||
certain levels of occupancy, and leads to wasted effort.</t> | certain levels of occupancy, and this leads to wasted effort.</t> | |||
</section> | </section> | |||
<section> | <section> | |||
<name>Resolution: Update to RFC 8718</name> | <name>Resolution: Update to RFC 8718</name> | |||
<t>To address this, this document updates <xref target="RFC8718" secti | ||||
on="3.2.4"/> to | <t>To address this issue, this document updates <xref target="RFC8718" | |||
replace the requirement for the total room block in the IETF Hotels | section="3.2.4"/> by | |||
from “one-third of | replacing the total room block requirement for IETF Hotels from | |||
the projected attendees” to a more flexible “sufficient rooms to mee | "one-third or more of projected meeting attendees" to a more flexible | |||
t the expected | "sufficient rooms to meet the expected demand".</t> | |||
demand”.</t> | ||||
</section> | </section> | |||
</section> | </section> | |||
<section> | <section> | |||
<name>Overflow Hotels</name> | <name>Overflow Hotels</name> | |||
<section> | <section> | |||
<name>Current Policy</name> | <name>Current Policy</name> | |||
<t><xref target="RFC8718" section="1"/> defines "Overflow Hotels" as f ollows:</t> | <t><xref target="RFC8718" section="1"/> defines "Overflow Hotels" as f ollows:</t> | |||
<blockquote><t>One or more hotels, usually in close proximity to the F acility, where the | <blockquote><t>One or more hotels, usually in close proximity to the F acility, where the | |||
IASA has negotiated a group room rate for the purposes of the meet ing. | IETF has negotiated a group room rate for the purposes of the meet ing. | |||
</t></blockquote> | </t></blockquote> | |||
<t>The concept is further expanded in <xref target="RFC8718" section=" 3.2.4" | <t>The concept is further expanded in <xref target="RFC8718" section=" 3.2.4" | |||
sectionFormat="comma"/>:</t> | sectionFormat="of"/>:</t> | |||
<blockquote><t>Overflow Hotels can be placed under contract, within co nvenient travel time | <blockquote><t>Overflow Hotels can be placed under contract, within co nvenient travel time | |||
to and from the Facility and at a variety of guest room rates</t>< /blockquote> | to and from the Facility and at a variety of guest room rates</t>< /blockquote> | |||
</section> | </section> | |||
<section> | <section> | |||
<name>Discussion</name> | <name>Discussion</name> | |||
<t>The IASA has historically contracted with overflow hotels including those at other | <t>The IASA has historically contracted with Overflow Hotels including those at other | |||
price points from the IETF Hotels. They were very underutilized by a ttendees, reflecting | price points from the IETF Hotels. They were very underutilized by a ttendees, reflecting | |||
the general under-utilization of IETF contracted room blocks, exposi | the general underutilization of IETF contracted room blocks and expo | |||
ng the IASA to | sing the IASA to | |||
financial risk and with little benefit to participants. As a result, | financial risk with little benefit to participants. As a result, the | |||
the use of overflow | use of Overflow | |||
hotels has reduced and they are rarely contracted. However, due to t | Hotels has reduced, and they are rarely contracted. However, due to | |||
he way they are | the way they are | |||
incorporated into <xref target="RFC8718"/> there are still many who | incorporated into <xref target="RFC8718"/>, there are still many who | |||
believe these are, | believe these are, | |||
or should be, a normal feature of IETF meetings.</t> | or should be, a normal feature of IETF meetings.</t> | |||
</section> | </section> | |||
<section> | <section> | |||
<name>Resolution: Clarification of Interpretation</name> | <name>Resolution: Clarification of Interpretation</name> | |||
<t>To address this, the IASA should interpret any reference to Overflo w Hotels as an | <t>To address this issue, the IASA should interpret any reference to O verflow Hotels as an | |||
entirely optional feature that the IASA can choose to provide at its own discretion.</t> | entirely optional feature that the IASA can choose to provide at its own discretion.</t> | |||
</section> | </section> | |||
</section> | </section> | |||
<section> | <section> | |||
<name>Ad-hoc Space Including the Lounge and Terminal Room</name> | <name>Ad Hoc Space including the Lounge and Terminal Room</name> | |||
<section> | <section> | |||
<name>Current Policy</name> | <name>Current Policy</name> | |||
<t><xref target="RFC8718" section="3.2.2"/> and <xref target="RFC8718" | ||||
sectionFormat="bare" section="3.2.4"/> include the following requi | <t>Sections <xref target="RFC8718" section="3.2.2" sectionFormat="bare | |||
rements as important | "/> and <xref target="RFC8718" | |||
sectionFormat="bare" section="3.2.4"/> of <xref target="RFC8718"/> | ||||
include the following requirements as important | ||||
criteria:</t> | criteria:</t> | |||
<blockquote><ul> | <blockquote><ul> | |||
<li>There are sufficient places (e.g., a mix of hallways, bars, me eting rooms, and | <li>There are sufficient places (e.g., a mix of hallways, bars, me eting rooms, and | |||
restaurants) for people to hold ad hoc conversations and group d iscussions in the | restaurants) for people to hold ad hoc conversations and group d iscussions in the | |||
combination of spaces offered by the facilities, hotels, and bar s/restaurants in the | combination of spaces offered by the facilities, hotels, and bar s/restaurants in the | |||
surrounding area, within walking distance (5-10 minutes). </li> | surrounding area, within walking distance (5-10 minutes). </li> | |||
<li>At least one IETF Hotel or the Facility has a space for use as a lounge, conducive | <li>At least one IETF Hotel or the Facility has a space for use as a lounge, conducive | |||
to planned and ad hoc meetings and chatting, as well as a space for working online. | to planned and ad hoc meetings and chatting, as well as a space for working online. | |||
There are tables with seating, convenient for small meetings wit h laptops. These can | There are tables with seating, convenient for small meetings wit h laptops. These can | |||
be at an open bar or casual restaurant. Preferably the lounge ar ea is centrally | be at an open bar or casual restaurant. Preferably the lounge ar ea is centrally | |||
located, permitting easy access to participants. </li> | located, permitting easy access to participants. </li> | |||
</ul></blockquote> | </ul></blockquote> | |||
<t>While not a formal requirement, a Terminal Room, described as a ded | <t>While not a formal requirement, a terminal room (described as a ded | |||
icated room with | icated room with | |||
extended opening hours beyond the normal hours of IETF meetings, Eth | extended opening hours beyond the normal hours of IETF meetings), Et | |||
ernet connectivity, | hernet connectivity, | |||
a printer and a staffed helpdesk, has been a long-standing feature o | a printer, and a staffed help desk have been long-standing features | |||
f IETF meetings.</t> | of IETF meetings.</t> | |||
</section> | </section> | |||
<section> | <section> | |||
<name>Discussion</name> | <name>Discussion</name> | |||
<t>Both the Lounge and the Terminal Room are regularly but lightly use | <t>Both the lounge and the terminal room are used regularly but lightl | |||
d, far below | y, i.e., far below | |||
capacity. The reason for this is explained in the feedback to post-m | capacity. The reason for this is explained in the feedback to post-m | |||
eeting surveys: most | eeting surveys: Most | |||
participants want an immediately accessible ad-hoc meeting space, wh | participants want an immediately accessible ad hoc meeting space, wh | |||
ich is best provided | ich is best provided | |||
by plenty of hallway seating. The IASA has responded to this feedbac k by adopting a new | by plenty of hallway seating. The IASA has responded to this feedbac k by adopting a new | |||
practice of hiring in hallway seating whenever that provided by the venue is | practice of bringing in additional in-hallway seating whenever that provided by the venue is | |||
insufficient.</t> | insufficient.</t> | |||
<t>Dedicated rooms, such as the Lounge or Terminal Room, or external f acilities "within | <t>Dedicated rooms, such as the lounge or terminal room, or external f acilities "within | |||
walking distance (5-10 minutes)" are unsuitable for the majority of participant needs, | walking distance (5-10 minutes)" are unsuitable for the majority of participant needs, | |||
though there remains a need for quiet places to work between session s.</t> | though there remains a need for quiet places to work between session s.</t> | |||
</section> | </section> | |||
<section> | <section> | |||
<name>Resolution: Update to RFC 8718</name> | <name>Resolution: Update to RFC 8718</name> | |||
<t>To address this, <xref target="RFC8718"> is updated as follows:</xr | <t>To address this issue, <xref target="RFC8718"/> is updated as follo | |||
ef></t> | ws:</t> | |||
<ol> | <ol type="1" spacing="normal"> | |||
<li><t>Section <xref target="RFC8718" section="3.2.2" sectionFormat= | <li><t><xref target="RFC8718" section="3.2.2" | |||
"bare"/> is updated | sectionFormat="of"/> is updated so that the entry on ad hoc | |||
so that the bullet on ad-hoc meeting space now reads:</t> | meeting space (first bullet) now reads:</t> | |||
<t indent="1">There are sufficient, easily accessible places withi | <blockquote>There are sufficient, easily accessible places within | |||
n the Facility for | the Facility for | |||
people to hold ad hoc conversations and group discussions.</t></ | people to hold ad hoc conversations and group discussions.</bloc | |||
li> | kquote></li> | |||
<li><t>Section <xref target="RFC8718" section="3.2.4" sectionFormat= | <li><t><xref target="RFC8718" section="3.2.4" | |||
"bare"/> is updated | sectionFormat="of"/> is updated so that the entry on the lounge (six | |||
so that the bullet on the lounge now reads:</t> | th bullet) now reads:</t> | |||
<t indent="1">There are sufficient places within the Facility suit | <blockquote>There are sufficient places within the Facility suitab | |||
able for people to | le for people to | |||
work online on their own devices.</t></li> | work online on their own devices.</blockquote></li> | |||
</ol> | </ol> | |||
</section> | </section> | |||
</section> | </section> | |||
</section> | </section> | |||
<section anchor="IANA"> | <section anchor="IANA"> | |||
<!-- All drafts are required to have an IANA considerations section. See R FC 8126 for a guide.--> | ||||
<name>IANA Considerations</name> | <name>IANA Considerations</name> | |||
<t>This memo includes no request to IANA.</t> | <t>This document has no IANA actions.</t> | |||
</section> | </section> | |||
<section anchor="Security"> | <section anchor="Security"> | |||
<!-- All drafts are required to have a security considerations section. Se e RFC 3552 for a guide. --> | ||||
<name>Security Considerations</name> | <name>Security Considerations</name> | |||
<t>This document should not affect the security of the Internet.</t> | <t>This document should not affect the security of the Internet.</t> | |||
</section> | </section> | |||
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</middle> | </middle> | |||
<back> | <back> | |||
<references> | <references> | |||
<name>References</name> | <name>References</name> | |||
<references> | <references> | |||
<name>Normative References</name> | <name>Normative References</name> | |||
<xi:include href="https://www.rfc-editor.org/refs/bibxml/reference.RFC.8 718.xml"/> | <xi:include href="https://www.rfc-editor.org/refs/bibxml/reference.RFC.8 718.xml"/> | |||
<xi:include href="https://www.rfc-editor.org/refs/bibxml/reference.RFC.8 719.xml"/> | <xi:include href="https://www.rfc-editor.org/refs/bibxml/reference.RFC.8 719.xml"/> | |||
</references> | </references> | |||
</references> | </references> | |||
<section anchor="Contributors" numbered="false"> | <section anchor="Acknowledgements" numbered="false"> | |||
<name>Contributors</name> | <name>Contributors</name> | |||
<t>Thanks to all of the contributors: Laura Nugent, Stephanie McCammon, Al | <t>Thanks to the following people for their contributions to this document | |||
exa Morris, Greg | : <contact fullname="Laura | |||
Wood, Lars Eggert and Jason Livingood.</t> | Nugent"/>, <contact fullname="Stephanie McCammon"/>, <contact | |||
fullname="Alexa Morris"/>, <contact fullname="Greg Wood"/>, <contact | ||||
fullname="Lars Eggert"/>, and <contact fullname="Jason Livingood"/>.</t> | ||||
</section> | </section> | |||
</back> | </back> | |||
</rfc> | </rfc> | |||
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